pete
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Mar 28, 2009
6:28 PM
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hay i wrote a blog on the bottom half of the other 56 opinions. i'm not saying mine is the most important but i think if you are pro antler restriction i think it should be read and maybe change your mind. as for the rdp guys stick with what your doing, it's different and true to what it's all about here. don't forget those clowns we see on t.v every night are just shooters not hunters they have to pay to get that close and "succesful". not taking a shot at you firestorm but i was checking out the pictures and these outdoor chanel clowns got you thinking that a 122lb. doe is'nt a trophy, dude we all know how hard the hunting was last year with such a mast crop and how hard it was to pattern deer, don't short change your self, hope your not affended it's meant as a compliment
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Doug
Real Deal Pro Staff
27 posts
Mar 31, 2009
5:06 PM
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Sorry Pete,but i'm pro antler restriction.personally i'd rather shoot a 5 year old buck than a 1 year old.i enjoy the time i spend in the woods and would much rather watch a spike than shoot one.i will also shoot does.this is just my opinion,and will never shoot a young buck again.i have nothing against anyone who does shoot young deer.trophy is in the eye of the beholder.
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Bone
RDP Pro Staff
76 posts
Mar 31, 2009
6:21 PM
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I've shot a few over 200lbs with a pile of BONE..Last year I was PROUD TO HAMMER A 100LB SPIKE WITH MY KNIGHT 50CAL..KP1..It is in the eye and in the moment..!!! I'm a NE Deer-Hunter..I do not pass on game often..
Bone
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Armand
RDP Pro Staff
204 posts
Mar 31, 2009
6:29 PM
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I go with both sides really. Its up to the hunter at this point. I have states I hunt for meat and states I hunt for trophy bucks. As you grow older and better you change as far as what you love to shoot. Doug,Bone,Me and all the team have shot our share of spikes for sure. Would I like to see a 8 pointer atleast once a day here like I do in Illinois?? Absolutely!! Will I tell people thats what they have to shoot? No!!I Have a buddy that has hunted forever that still gets pumped over every 4 pointer he shoots every year..LOL I think its great that he can do that. I remember hooting and hollering over that first 106lb doe so loud my dad could hear me 300 yards away..Them will always be the good days you will remember your whole life. But ask most VT hunters who hated the AR and see what they say today..It does improve the hunting after a few years..So I agree with everyone.
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pete
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Apr 01, 2009
3:59 AM
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dont forget how much posted land you run into in vt. all im saying is if it is illinois then we will be paying lease fees and that to me is worse than antler restriction. besides most of vt. problem is the amount of poaching that goes on since the antler restriction poaching has increased nearly 30 percent that was an article in outdoor magazine about 6months ago. im telling you that these restrictions are just that and thats not what hunting is about. doug nobody is telling you that you have to shoot a small buck therefore you have created your own restriction dont you feel that everyone should have the same opportunity whats next managment trout?
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Bone
RDP Pro Staff
77 posts
Apr 01, 2009
4:28 AM
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Thet do manage trout..live free or die..6 inchers and spikes are way better eatin. Vt holds some posters thats for sure..thats why I hunt the Mountian..they can't post her..gives us a better reason to be ethical and polite to specailly round non-partakers..headed to look at some old haunts in the green mtn state this am..see ya soon.
Bone
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pete
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Apr 01, 2009
7:03 PM
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i will leave it alone after this one,but have you guys seen the last two hawkeyes? the state tries so hard to get a good salmon program now there are people bitching about hook wounded fish give me a frigin break,first they want catch and release now people are catching too many fish? see the pattern micro mannaging everything all for what so every time you go out you can catch a 3lb. brookie and if you dont its a waste of time or got to be a 27 inch salmon or its no good maybe shoot a ten pointer the first hour in the woods to me it just sounds like a bunch of people want fast food hunting and fishing if you dont get some sort of trophy everytime you hit the water or get in the woods it was a waste of time. what happened to the time spent with friend and family meaning more than what you went home with last year i shot 140lb four point that was an awsome hunt in 07 i shot a 200lb. 9point the four point was a much harder hunt and i worked alot harder for that forkhorn. dont forget the saying if it was easy everyone would do it. and a big 10-4 bone on the live free or die. what i meant about the managment trout deal was whats next some jackass on a fishing show throwing a trout in the bottom of the boat and telling me its a managment trout, you now like when you see david morris kill a "cull buck" in texas. or better yet maybe we will get to look foward to study determining that good spurs on a longbeard is genetic and the can kill some managment gobblers, one can only dream right boys. i think it has gone way to far like i said before when they got a hunter like firestorm thinking that his hunt to kill that doe was any less exciting that he feels he has to right a caption telling me its not a trophy i think that is proof enough this garbage has gotten out of hand. im done good luck this spring fellas hope you all get long ropes and big hooks i know even if i dont i will be having a good time.
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JWC
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Apr 03, 2009
12:59 PM
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Pete the purpose for the AR is not only to grow Booners! The real purpose is to provide a healthy deer herd and help get some age structure on the male deer. VT deer kill consisted of 90% of the male deer being shot were 1.5 or younger. They definetly needed to do somthing and they Did and it worked very well. Although NH is not as bad as VT was were are on the same road and it may be better to nip it now before it gets really bad. SO again a lot of it has to do with managing a heathly deer herd and to have a healthy deer herd we need the "dominate" Bucks breeding our does, and the only way to have dominate bucks is they have to be able to live beyond 1.5 years of age. If The NH F&G would go to doe permits system it would be great for both you and other hunters that are looking for different hunting experience.
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pete
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Apr 03, 2009
1:41 PM
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hey jwc how many does do you think a domintate buck breads per year and the dominate factor has nothing to do with it. vermonts problem is they went for numbers and had way to many deer in areas that could not sustain the herd to keep them healthy, also if you have spent much time in both states you should obviously have seen the difference in food supply for instance vermont deer feed mostly on aggricultural fields not alot of acorns in the southwestern part of the state where i hunt where as your pretty hard pressed not to find acorns or beachnuts in new hampshire. if our deer herd is so weak how come we have put over 50 b&c bucks in the big book to vermonts 0? its food source. you should talk to a few n.h bioligist maybe you would learn more than listening to the drurey brothers or david morris, think you would be real suprised.
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pete
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Apr 03, 2009
2:01 PM
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i almost forgot jwc, take a look at a new hampshire law book and see all the states with a "healthy deer herd" and ask yourself how come they got so many problems with CWD and you have to debone and boil that trophy rack to bring it home ever wonder why? this state tells you not to feed deer because they are not designed to eat from troths. everybody out in the midwest supplimentaly feeds the deer to keep them on the property they lease. think that maybe there is a conection? if our herd is so unhealthy why is there no CWD here or red tounge for that matter? like i said talk to a bioligist not these t.v hunters everyone wants to worship all these guys are is farmers not hunters if they had to track or scout animals in their natural habbitat they would be screwed thats why they plant these foodplots to bring the deer to them cause they couldnt kill them without it.
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Bone
RDP Pro Staff
78 posts
Apr 04, 2009
5:41 AM
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pete..sounds like you got a handle on it bra...this is xzactly why we started REAL DEAL PRODUCTIONS.. nothing ill twards any-one that hunts or their version of getting after it..some of us are still in the tradition of what we hold so so so dear...some can grow em real big...here in the great ne we farm cattle..dairy for that matter..we HUNT deer..and grow veggies to fit next to our chairished vennie....AR depends on the hunt for me...and how my year is going...Í film to represent the true ne spotrsmen so some smaller bucks are bound to get it..that's reality for me and most deerhunters I know...I do enjoy this subject..thanks for the info gents....
Bone
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HankeyB
80 posts
Apr 04, 2009
9:17 AM
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im just looking for a decent buck to put on the ground for my 1st set of antlers =)...got my doe this year but i gotta get the bones on the ground
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Anonymous
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Apr 04, 2009
2:28 PM
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bone try this on for size. i talked to a guy the other day that paid 5500 dollars to go to saskatewan to shoot a ten point. thats not the worst of it he sat in a blind for a week straight over bait piles that they place sometimes out to 200 yards, never seeing how well he can shoot,so then he kills his buck but because of the CWD laws in canada and minnesota he was told he could not bring any meat back to the states. that much money for a ten pointer WOW!!!!!!!!! at least they got antler restrictions where he was hunting though. im with you guys whatever blows your hair back,but dont make it so i have to hunt that way. keep doing what you do bone. you are right on track of what it is to be a TRUE new england hunter and WOODSMAN like i said before the woodsman act is a dieing breed and i guess thats what i dont want to seen lost from our new england traditions.
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Bone
RDP Pro Staff
79 posts
Apr 04, 2009
6:28 PM
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Thanks man..I do what I know..the times are change-in..but before they dump my ashes in a Buck scrape on the top of Sunapee the industry will know what deer season means to us..funny I send my wife to Brazil her home..every deer season..for the month of November..2000..time away from my job..10,000..gear and gas..1500..so 90 days of deer hunting runs me an average of 13,500..I shot a 106lbs spike in NH this year..a day Noyes and I will never forget..and I'm proud to share with ya'll... lol
Bone
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HankeyB
81 posts
Apr 05, 2009
8:23 AM
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u should alway be proud of what u take...im proude of my doe i put on the ground this year....im not afraid to say it wasnt huge..but it wasnt small...
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AC
22 posts
Apr 05, 2009
4:42 PM
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This can be a touchy subject and both sides have good points. Its nice to see some hunters with passion on here though, good honest debate is healthy. Everyone has the choice everytime they pull the trigger. I'm not a big supporter of regulations of any sort, unless its a real public safety issue. The more restrictions big brother can put on you the more control he has. On the same note, the AR in VT has made a difference. I have hunted in both states for 30 years, and this year was the first time I have ever seen racked bucks in VT. Will they ever grow bucks as big as we can, only time will tell. I like to shoot the big ones, but I shot a pile of does, spikes and fours along the way, and in the wanning hours of the hunt, will probably shoot more.
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JWC
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Apr 06, 2009
3:43 PM
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PETE dont climb all over me. You have no idea who i am and who i have talked to on this subject! so dont make allagations that all i do is watch hunting videos! I am not doubting that we have some great bucks in this state.They are however getting far and few between. The Buck to doe ratio is getting way out of balence IN SOME AREAS. other areas it is good. I have been to many of F&G wildlife hearings and have faithfully looked at the harvest report. Do you know that every year we shoot twice as many Male as Female deer. How long can that go on before you get an unbalanced heard? Furthermore ARE YOU A BIOLOGIST? I was not looking for an argument here but you did offend me!
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pete
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Apr 06, 2009
6:02 PM
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your point was comparing to other states and the states that are being used with "healthy deer herds" have more disease and regulations than we do. therefore not good examples all i can tell you is practice antler restriction on your own but dont lobby and speak for me and other hunters who have the same oppinion as i do. over regulation is not the answer and as far as buck to doe ratio when you see that we are killing twice as many bucks to do pretty likely that the bioligist in the state have a system they are working on and in my opinion doing a great job with it. take a look in that same harvest report and see how level the deer kill is compared to when they had either sex open year round and for that matter look at the new nhsaa club book that just came out if the herd is in such shambles how come every year since the early 90's they keep entering bigger and bigger bucks? the only reason i accused you of watching to many hunting shows is that your argument for AR sounds just like all these guys. let me leave you with these two questions. first of all how is someone leaving it better than they found it if at one point everyone had the same oppertunity to hunt a piece of woods and then it becomes posted and only a certain few get to hunt it, why is it better because its now easier to kill a big buck? or how about when jackie bushman tells me to remember to take a kid hunting, do you think he would let me hunt on his private ranch with my kids or did he just mean somewhere else where i can afford to? with notoriaty of big bucks comes leases and posted land i for one do not want to see that happen, so i will take my chance and apply the same manner i do now, lot of hard work in scouting and commitment to hunt as hard as i can.
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pete
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Apr 06, 2009
6:27 PM
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hay thought of one other thing, you said that you go to the fish and wildlife hearings from what i understand bioligist have been saying for a good number of years that we should have a doe lottery permit system, but every year it gets shot down because there are meat hunters who count on the opertunity to shoot a doe, and everyone there gets in a uproar and it is shot down. maybe you could really practice AR and good managment skills and take one for the team so to speak and kill the first doe you see on opening day of muzzleloader then if your that passionate about something being done,hell i've killed 7 does and only 2 bucks in the last 4 years. Guess i'm doing my own managment. or does that make me less of a hunter because i not grabbing a big set of horns every season? like i said before every hunt means something to me, the story behing it means more than the kill. i have learned over the years that the story tells everything if a guy kills a "mature" buck every year and everyone is ready to write a folk song about the dude, alot of the time you find out the real story and the guy is filling the bottom of a hemlock with baskets of apples,not saying everyone but it happens alot more than you think,does that make him a better hunter because he killed 4 120inchers or better every year or is he just doing what it takes to kill a"good"deer? that is another topic for another day in itself
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Bone
RDP Pro Staff
81 posts
Apr 07, 2009
9:11 AM
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You's Two's..???@#!%$#@...are on it..thanks for keeping it clean..well respected thoughts will continue to pop up if we do...as for feelings getting hurt..shake web-hands and move on gents..my two cents...my feelings get a little hurt each and every deer season for one reason or anouther..so I shake off the others view of what I do.. and DECIDED to do..any hoo..this has been a hot thread as all know..NH is all I know..I go to VT to see a few deer and hopefully fill a tag or two..AS A DEER HUNTER WHO IS IN THE WOODLINE WAY MORE OFTEN THAN-NOT THE AR PROGRAM DEF HELPED VT'S BUCK HERD..I WAS AROUND MORE 6 AND UP 150-175 LBS BUCK THEN EVER IN THE GREEN MTN STATE...WATCH THE DVD WHEN IT COMES OUT IN JULY..BUT IF YOU WANT TO HUNT A TRUE MONARCH OF THE NE..A CORKER THAT LIVES IN THE NASTY..TOUGH..DARK WOODS..EVERYBODY KNOWS NH IS THE PLACE..THE SKULL AND ANTLER SHOW WAS LITTERED WITH HUGE BUCK SHOT IN THE PAST FEW YEARS HERE..WE'LL POST A PHOTO OF MY FRIEND DAN'S 158 INCH 204 LBS 8 PRONG THIS WEEK..YES FOLKS 8 PRONG..IT'S TWO FEET OR BETTER INSIDE AND THE BIGGEST DEER I HAVE EVER SCEEN IN MY LIFE...AS A 8..ITS HUGE..!! MY POINT IS THE BUCK HERE IN NH ARE LIKE NO OTHER...THE MAY BE THE HARDEST BUCK TO KILL PERIOD..THATS WHY I LOVE HUNTING IN MY HOME STATE MORE THAN ANY PLACE ON PLANET EARTH..PLUS THE BONUS OF WHEN AND IF I'M WORN OUT..AND A NICE 4 COMES BY..LIVE FREE OR DIE..I'M BRINGING SOME VENNIE TO THE BOB HOUSE DAM IT..!!! I WILL NEVER PASS JDGNMT ON ANY ONE WHO HUNTS AND I'VE BEEN PUMPED UP BY THIS THREAD TO KILL THE FIRST DOE THAT COME BY..LET THE SPIKE GO BY THIS YEAR..DOES AND RACKS FOR ME THIS YEAR..HOPE I'M DOING MY PART TO HELP OUT OUR HERD..
BONE
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JWC
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Apr 07, 2009
4:03 PM
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Pete, I am not going to argue on this matter anymore. You sound like a very frustrated deer hunter that has only been able to shoot spike or fork bucks. I understand if that is taken away from you, you might go without a deer. Take care out in those woods this coming fall and good luck.
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pete
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Apr 07, 2009
5:06 PM
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no jwc i shot a good buck two seasons ago but you still dont get it,so i too am done with this with this. you and guys like you dont get it and i was just trying to give you a different look at someone elses opinion, and some true facts. i look foward to being around the same friends and family that i hunt with every year and thats all it takes to make me happy when in the deer woods of new hampshire. as for you bone thats what i dig about you guys you get it! good luck to all and jwc if a big rack every year is what you want i hope you get it. just trying to say it shouldnt make your season empty if you dont. so if all you can come up with is a weak assumption like that then the old saying is true, you know that assumtions make an ass out of u and i well just you in this case.
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harley
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Apr 07, 2009
5:24 PM
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jwc you must have bucks posted all over the trophy section, which ones are yours?
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Doug
Real Deal Pro Staff
29 posts
Apr 07, 2009
6:24 PM
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Since this post started i've read some really good points..There are also some that make my blood presure go up.I respect every hunters opinion about this.(who is this Cub fella who started this hornets nest of a subject????)Pete you make some very good points,thank you..JWC don't give up now,thanks for your input..I'm pro antler restriction and thats my opinion.Its more about the hunt for me than the kill.I guess thats why I don't like to end my season to quickly.I've spent alot of days hunting with Bone and can't wait to do it again,If he shoots a spike or a twelve pointer I hope i'm running the camera.This guy comes unglued after a kill.Never seen anything like it...Just more about the hunt for me.
Please keep the replies comming and be nice...Thanks fellas
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pete
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Apr 07, 2009
7:16 PM
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doug we are on the same page most of the does i shot were during archery season both here and vermont i will wait myself i would rather spend as much time in the woods as possible and i do respect both of your opinions. the only problem i have with this is everytime i here the points on this all it seems to me is that we are looking like all hunters are just trophy hunters. doug i looked at some of the pictures that you have posted, you have killed some great deer. by looking at the way you dress i would guess you do your fair share of tracking. i know that you understand the feeling you get when it all comes together and you grab those bones for the first time. its something only you have stored in your squash forever now imagine if that became easy would it mean as much i know the answer for me is no. i like the challange i like knowing that you have to do everything right and get a little lucky with little things like the wind or the thermals not changing on you when your closeing in on that track or many other things that can go wrong on ya . so the only point i really have bean trying to get across is if it ain't broke don't fix it. so far all the points i have heard to me do not seem like they are fixing it like the disease i spoke about earlier.the only reason they put the AR in the northern reason as it has been explained to me is because that far north in the years where the heavy snow has come early the deer start to yard early and there were alot of hunters that knew where the deer yard were, they went in and by bioligist determination were killing to many 11/2 year old bucks so they went to the fork rule and cut the season back as to not catch the deer so vulnerable in the yards. in these threads i have read people wanting to cut archery season down we killed just over 3,000 deer last year in what everyone you talked to said was going to be a bad season because of the winter it was the 3rd highest archery kill on record all i saying is people need to get all there facts together before they jump to conclutions. i think the state did the right thing to try to stop the problem up north with what they have done for the reasons they did them. i also have faith that if they feel the need to go any further with it they will and i will except it with open arms because someone in that field determined that we needed to. i cant jump on the AR wagon just to make it easier to kill a "booner" though. also i wasnt trying to offend you jwc but the points you make just sound like the mid west guys and i have had all i can watch of those guys so i am sorry for that and doug by no means am i trying to offend you just a debate over a "hornets nest" of a point .
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Bone
RDP Pro Staff
82 posts
Apr 08, 2009
4:10 AM
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The best part about this whole thing is the FREEDOM OF CHIOCE OUR GREAT STATE ALLOWS..Really..it's pretty much wide open hamma down from the 15th to the 15th..with a bow your lite is green all season...thank the powers that be for that one..no start-stop... start-gotta be a tree porong-stop..poster..stop..ok hunt..!! I CAN HUNT DEER 90 DAYS STRAIGHT AND BROWN IT'S DOWN TILL I FILL MY BOW DOE TAG..BUT LIKE MY FRIENDS..IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TIMES WE HAVE..OUR DEEP TRADITIONS..THAT WITH SEEING A FEW DEER...HOPEFULLY KILLING ONE..IS WHAT I LOOK FORWARD TO BIG TIME..IF IT WAS ABOUT KILLING STUFF I'D BE A BUTCHER..I'M A NH BUCK HUNTER..BUT ONLY AFTER KILLING 39 DOE...!!!??? AND I NSTILL LIKE TO PUT A BIG JUICY DOE IN THE FREEZER..IT'S GENETIC RESPONCE AT THIS POINT..PETE..I MET A GUY FROM NH THIS WEEKEND AT SKULL AND ANTLER..HE HAD A PICTURE OF HIS FREEZER FULL OF VENNIE..THAT WAS WHAT HE BROUGHT TO THE SHOW...IT WAS AWESOME...HE WAS SUM PROUD..!!!
GREAT TO SEE THE NE HASN'T LOST IT..!!!
BONE
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pete
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Apr 08, 2009
1:34 PM
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bone i know that 8 point that you are putting a picture of up wicked huge.did he tell you the story? i know his farther in law said he had no idea it was that big til he walked up on it. talk about some heart pounding then huh? have you seen the new muzzle loader record? i had heard that tim was going to bring it to the show. that too was shot in our neck of the woods. what do you know can see some doe while in stand then these ghosts start poping out in late october.
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Doug
Real Deal Pro Staff
35 posts
Apr 17, 2009
5:25 AM
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Pete you make a few valid points BUT i am very confused about some things.In an earlier post you reffered to red tongue?what is red tongue?I've heard of blue tongue,which is caused by drought conditions.Maybe you can blame drought on AR.Also do you think AR caused more land in Vermont to get posted?No it did not,the whole state has been posted since the late 70's.maybe you can blame more posted signs on AR.. Can you tell me which states and provinces have antler restriction? Then can you tell me which states and provinces have cwd? I don't know the answers,and won't pretend too... Its my understanding(and maybe its wrong)But CWD started on deer farms not in the wild herd.So i guess you could blame that on AR.Our deer heard might be healthy to you but not me having 8 does to 1 buck is not heathly,the kill seems fair (with the amount of buck and doe killed each year)thats because of the number of days to kill does is only about 5-7 days,and to kill bucks you have over a month.(not counting bow season)I'm sure if you ask any biologist they would rather see mature bucks doing the bulk of the breeding,Would'nt you want more of the strongest genes in our herd. If AR is going to get more land posted here than I don't want it.No matter what happens here with AR The bucks will never have the rack sizes of the states in the midwest.Yes there will be many more boone quality bucks,but never in the same quanity as the midwest.It has more to do with food quality and less severe winters. Listen i'll compromise here no antler restrictions here BUT let the meat hunters have more time to shoot does.Like all of muzzle loader and a full week of rifle..NO LESS.I understand your passion here but your tone is keeping more hunters from writing there opinions,they don't want to get into heated arguements with you.Please give everyhunter a fair chance to debate here.We're all hunters here,not enemies...maybe i'm wrong maybe not
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LIV2HNT
1 post
Apr 17, 2009
5:53 AM
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Doug, totally agree with you about more doe.I also beleive we should be able to shoot two does during archery,and only one buck.We should not be able to shoot three buck in a season. Not that we could be so lucky.Back when muzzleloader season was open all ten days for buck or doe,I personally saw more buck. Thats got to tell you something.
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pete
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Apr 17, 2009
10:58 AM
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doug, i do have some of the answers to your questions but i will let it go, not trying to argue with anyone but just want both sides out there. good luck to all and look at the law book for your provideces and states. its not just the AR, but these private hunting ranches practioe their own restrictions like 130 or more. which is why they post their land outwest. that was my point good luck to all. CWD was started in yellowstone as far as i heard that was the last place they could trace it, you know where they practice 0 hunting but have some huge critters there.
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